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mimi_sardiniaIt's rather inevitable that I'd get plotbunnies somewhere along the way - well no, it isn't, because not every fandom I have been involved in, one way or another has generated plotbunnies, but Transformers is one that I feel enough connection to that I have been getting them.
I've left off until now however because some of my earlier thoughts were only partial but I've been mulling over one that has developed to a point that I just have to put it to rest somehow, and writing a synopsis has worked in the past.
To start off with, one of the lines of thinking I got into at some point (probably during the week my compy was off at the shop) about how to resolve G1 Quintesson origin with Primus.
For those with a less than substantial memory of G1 animated canon, the Quintessons were introduced in TFTM (i.e. the '86 animated movie). There they were basically just a pack of five-faced bastards with a legal system that was really, really nasty. If you get found innocent, you get executed, if get found guilty, you get executed too. Usually by dint of being fed to the Sharkticons.
However, with the introductory storyline of season 3 of the series, the Quints were given a lot larger place in the storyline when it was revealed that they created the Transformers of Cybertron, only to be run off the planet something like 12 million years ago when their creations, having gain emotions and true sentience, turned on them.
Other sources however did the whole origin thing differently, making Cybertron itself a planet-sized Transformer in it's own right, by the name of Primus. There's also a whole lot of stuff about conflict between Primus and Unicron thrown in there, with plenty of Marvel's tendency towards ancient mystical beings and the conflict of good and evil... but on the baseline, the more popular origin was the Primus one, with most other continuities picking it up.
Yeah, well, as much as I like Primus origin and all, I get a brain itch from denial and retcon of the background given in my continuity (animated G1 was my first and will always colour my opinions on Transformers). I don't even like the reconciliation that some of the more recent comic give - that the Quints invaded Cybertron.
So anyway, I came up with my own (and that was before I found the invasion idea), and the main plotbunny is very coloured by it.
Primus and the Quints - the Fishgirl way.
So, Big Bang. New universe. Everything's in flux. This primordial environment is just perfect for lifeforms that are made of pure energy to develop. The problem is, the universe doesn't stay that way and the environment that so suited them starts to die out on them (or at least that's how they viewed it). Some of them are pissy, but some look for solutions and find it's possible to bind themselves to this newfangled matter that's floating around and all.
The weaker ones have to resort to bonding to stars, while stronger ones that could last a bit longer before doing so, meaning they were able to bond with the latest thing out, planets!
So fast forward however many billions of years, to something like 12 million years prior Earth's 20th Century. A species known as the Quintessons come up with a technology that allows a machine to transform from one form to another. They see a ripe financial opportunity in marketing this, if they can develop useful lines of machines for the interstellar market. Of course, the projected size of production for this warrants setting up factories on a grand scale - a planetary scale, so they go hunting for a useful planet to do it on. The planet they find is dubbed Cybertron.
While in they early stages of research and development they find a rather curious geological feature - a chasm that leaks strange energy readings. Studies into the chasm uncover an odd effect - exposure to the energies does something to machines that improves their functions incredibly, making them able to compute things they had never been able to do so before.
Of course, the Quints didn't look deeply enough into why it had this effect and started experimenting on how to infuse the machines they were developing the way their worker droids had accidentally been. So they go about, building their factories and putting together their lines of transforming hardware, not realising that their fooling around with that chasm would have an unseen effect.
See, what they didn't bother to look into properly was that Cybertron was the ball of rock that one of those primordial energy being tied itself to, and the energies the Quints started infusing their products with came directly from that energy being, and essentially, was giving those products souls. Add onto that the detail that their fooling woke said energy being from dormancy... and well, when he started paying attention to what the Quints were doing, he realised that the products constituted his "children" and decided to infuse them with a will for freedom that no amount of programming their robotic bodies could negate... and well he kinda encouraged the eventual rebellion that ousted the Quints from Cybertron, all because he wanted his children to be free.
Then he went back to sleep.
So anyway, fast forward yet another 11 million years. Optimus Prime is back from the dead and working both fight the Decepticons, as well as try to rebuild Cybertron. He's got help of course, his Sub-Commander and old friend, Ultra Magnus, and his successor-turned-lietentant, Rodimus (sans Prime, because only the Supreme Commander wears that title, plus there's all sort of issues over the name "Rodimus", since some have reverted to "Hot Rod" while others keep using "Rodimus" - strangely, Optimus has chosen "Rodimus") backing him up.
Things aren't going too well on the war front however, while the Autobots are holding Cybertron, the depowering of the Matrix to destroy the Hate Plague means that Optimus himself has lost a lot of power that he previously drew from the Matrix. Rodimus isn't too much better, because while his original upgrade was intended to make him equal to Galvatron, it was also closely linked to the Matrix and lack of the Matrix means he's a fair bit weaker - not quite right back to the point he was as Hot Rod before he became Prime, but definitely weaker than he was as Prime. There's also a minor issue of deep space scanning equipment starting up on it's own, but that's a problem that has been delegated to Perceptor to figure out the glitches.
Optimus decides something needs to be done about this, but the only possible place he might find information is from Alpha Trion, which warrants a trip into the deeper parts of Cybertron to where Vector Sigma is located. He asks Rodimus to accompany him, because if it's something pertaining to the Matrix, he figures it's best to have both Autobots that are currently bonded to it present. Only the discussion of it gets overheard by Ultra Magnus, who insists on coming with them as well, to watch their backs.
But like a great deal that goes on, somehow the information about this trip leaks and falls into Decepticon hands, and Galvatron figures it's a good chance to get rid of all three of the Autobots' highest ranking officers - and three Autobots Galvatron has a particular grudge against.
Add onto that the worry that erupts back and Autobot headquarters and another group of Autobots follow, not only to find out why their leaders have gone off, but also to help them stand up to Galvatron and his flunkies (which includes at least Cyclonus, Scourge, a squad of Sweeps and maybe Soundwave). (Said Autobot group's make-up is optional, but I favour it including Arcee, Springer, and maybe Wreck-Gar, since season three has him on Cybertron a lot.)
And last but not least, Starscream! Yes, I'm fond of the little shit, so why not? Somehow he got out of that out-of-control careening through space situation he was in and found himself a way back to Cybertron and sees Galvatron following the Autobot leaders, and follows intent on exacting revenge on Galvatron.
Of course, all this culminates in a showdown in the Vector Sigma chamber, which finally gets shut down when Primus uses his links to Vector Sigma (built into VC, so it could regulate the process of infusing sparks into Transformers) to tell them all to shut up, tear verbal strips out of Galvatron and Starscream for their respective affiliations with Unicron, and tear them a new one literally, as he reformats them to remove any trace of Unicron's influence (he's a bit pissy over the whole Unicron thing - I mean really, Unicron was first going to dismember Cybertron, then later wanted to convert Cybertron into his new body - Primus has a right to be pissy, especially since Cybertron's severe lack of energy meant that Primus couldn't transform and therefore had no way to fight and that was really not a good way to be woken up!). He also does a number on both Scourge and Cyclonus - tearing them apart and taking their sparks so he can cleanse them of Unicron's taint.
Then the real bombshell is dropped. The whole incident with Unicron, followed so soon after by the release of the Matrix's energies to stop the Hate Plague has alerted several other living worlds. Those deep space scanning glitches? Totally not glitches - they were Alpha Trion tapping into the systems on Primus' orders to scan deep space for reactions to recent events. Turns out there has been, and the prospects are not good.
So both Autobots and Decepticons are under orders from Primus himself to shut up, stop their petty squabbling, and get Cybertron up and running properly because in all likelihood, Primus' kindred living planets will be event less friendly that Unicron and there are several headed Cybertron's general direction.
Where it goes after that however is in the area of vague impending threat I'm not good at thinking up.
And the part I left out? This is all an excuse for Optimus/Magnus/Rodimus, but with a reason behind why they go wandering off into the depths of Cybertron on their own, because while Roddy might play hooky, Optimus and Magnus wouldn't.
Also options on doing something to change Galvatron back into Megatron, because I hate Galvatron. Really.
One last thing, it occurred to me that the backstory for Primus that I came up with is a good backstory also for a Final Fantasy crossover. Basically, the bit about energy beings becoming the core of living worlds? A good backstory also for the Lifestream.
Besides, I've been idly contemplating how Transformer would be taken if they landed on the Guardianverse version of the FF8 world. Let's just say, any attempts by the Decepticons to harvest the Lifestream and convert it to energon would be met with some really hard-hitting spells from the likes of Squall and his fellow SeeDs - Griever and the other guardians would be rather unimpressed with Lifestream harvesting, especially those who lived on Gaea (FF7) beforehand.
I've left off until now however because some of my earlier thoughts were only partial but I've been mulling over one that has developed to a point that I just have to put it to rest somehow, and writing a synopsis has worked in the past.
To start off with, one of the lines of thinking I got into at some point (probably during the week my compy was off at the shop) about how to resolve G1 Quintesson origin with Primus.
For those with a less than substantial memory of G1 animated canon, the Quintessons were introduced in TFTM (i.e. the '86 animated movie). There they were basically just a pack of five-faced bastards with a legal system that was really, really nasty. If you get found innocent, you get executed, if get found guilty, you get executed too. Usually by dint of being fed to the Sharkticons.
However, with the introductory storyline of season 3 of the series, the Quints were given a lot larger place in the storyline when it was revealed that they created the Transformers of Cybertron, only to be run off the planet something like 12 million years ago when their creations, having gain emotions and true sentience, turned on them.
Other sources however did the whole origin thing differently, making Cybertron itself a planet-sized Transformer in it's own right, by the name of Primus. There's also a whole lot of stuff about conflict between Primus and Unicron thrown in there, with plenty of Marvel's tendency towards ancient mystical beings and the conflict of good and evil... but on the baseline, the more popular origin was the Primus one, with most other continuities picking it up.
Yeah, well, as much as I like Primus origin and all, I get a brain itch from denial and retcon of the background given in my continuity (animated G1 was my first and will always colour my opinions on Transformers). I don't even like the reconciliation that some of the more recent comic give - that the Quints invaded Cybertron.
So anyway, I came up with my own (and that was before I found the invasion idea), and the main plotbunny is very coloured by it.
Primus and the Quints - the Fishgirl way.
So, Big Bang. New universe. Everything's in flux. This primordial environment is just perfect for lifeforms that are made of pure energy to develop. The problem is, the universe doesn't stay that way and the environment that so suited them starts to die out on them (or at least that's how they viewed it). Some of them are pissy, but some look for solutions and find it's possible to bind themselves to this newfangled matter that's floating around and all.
The weaker ones have to resort to bonding to stars, while stronger ones that could last a bit longer before doing so, meaning they were able to bond with the latest thing out, planets!
So fast forward however many billions of years, to something like 12 million years prior Earth's 20th Century. A species known as the Quintessons come up with a technology that allows a machine to transform from one form to another. They see a ripe financial opportunity in marketing this, if they can develop useful lines of machines for the interstellar market. Of course, the projected size of production for this warrants setting up factories on a grand scale - a planetary scale, so they go hunting for a useful planet to do it on. The planet they find is dubbed Cybertron.
While in they early stages of research and development they find a rather curious geological feature - a chasm that leaks strange energy readings. Studies into the chasm uncover an odd effect - exposure to the energies does something to machines that improves their functions incredibly, making them able to compute things they had never been able to do so before.
Of course, the Quints didn't look deeply enough into why it had this effect and started experimenting on how to infuse the machines they were developing the way their worker droids had accidentally been. So they go about, building their factories and putting together their lines of transforming hardware, not realising that their fooling around with that chasm would have an unseen effect.
See, what they didn't bother to look into properly was that Cybertron was the ball of rock that one of those primordial energy being tied itself to, and the energies the Quints started infusing their products with came directly from that energy being, and essentially, was giving those products souls. Add onto that the detail that their fooling woke said energy being from dormancy... and well, when he started paying attention to what the Quints were doing, he realised that the products constituted his "children" and decided to infuse them with a will for freedom that no amount of programming their robotic bodies could negate... and well he kinda encouraged the eventual rebellion that ousted the Quints from Cybertron, all because he wanted his children to be free.
Then he went back to sleep.
So anyway, fast forward yet another 11 million years. Optimus Prime is back from the dead and working both fight the Decepticons, as well as try to rebuild Cybertron. He's got help of course, his Sub-Commander and old friend, Ultra Magnus, and his successor-turned-lietentant, Rodimus (sans Prime, because only the Supreme Commander wears that title, plus there's all sort of issues over the name "Rodimus", since some have reverted to "Hot Rod" while others keep using "Rodimus" - strangely, Optimus has chosen "Rodimus") backing him up.
Things aren't going too well on the war front however, while the Autobots are holding Cybertron, the depowering of the Matrix to destroy the Hate Plague means that Optimus himself has lost a lot of power that he previously drew from the Matrix. Rodimus isn't too much better, because while his original upgrade was intended to make him equal to Galvatron, it was also closely linked to the Matrix and lack of the Matrix means he's a fair bit weaker - not quite right back to the point he was as Hot Rod before he became Prime, but definitely weaker than he was as Prime. There's also a minor issue of deep space scanning equipment starting up on it's own, but that's a problem that has been delegated to Perceptor to figure out the glitches.
Optimus decides something needs to be done about this, but the only possible place he might find information is from Alpha Trion, which warrants a trip into the deeper parts of Cybertron to where Vector Sigma is located. He asks Rodimus to accompany him, because if it's something pertaining to the Matrix, he figures it's best to have both Autobots that are currently bonded to it present. Only the discussion of it gets overheard by Ultra Magnus, who insists on coming with them as well, to watch their backs.
But like a great deal that goes on, somehow the information about this trip leaks and falls into Decepticon hands, and Galvatron figures it's a good chance to get rid of all three of the Autobots' highest ranking officers - and three Autobots Galvatron has a particular grudge against.
Add onto that the worry that erupts back and Autobot headquarters and another group of Autobots follow, not only to find out why their leaders have gone off, but also to help them stand up to Galvatron and his flunkies (which includes at least Cyclonus, Scourge, a squad of Sweeps and maybe Soundwave). (Said Autobot group's make-up is optional, but I favour it including Arcee, Springer, and maybe Wreck-Gar, since season three has him on Cybertron a lot.)
And last but not least, Starscream! Yes, I'm fond of the little shit, so why not? Somehow he got out of that out-of-control careening through space situation he was in and found himself a way back to Cybertron and sees Galvatron following the Autobot leaders, and follows intent on exacting revenge on Galvatron.
Of course, all this culminates in a showdown in the Vector Sigma chamber, which finally gets shut down when Primus uses his links to Vector Sigma (built into VC, so it could regulate the process of infusing sparks into Transformers) to tell them all to shut up, tear verbal strips out of Galvatron and Starscream for their respective affiliations with Unicron, and tear them a new one literally, as he reformats them to remove any trace of Unicron's influence (he's a bit pissy over the whole Unicron thing - I mean really, Unicron was first going to dismember Cybertron, then later wanted to convert Cybertron into his new body - Primus has a right to be pissy, especially since Cybertron's severe lack of energy meant that Primus couldn't transform and therefore had no way to fight and that was really not a good way to be woken up!). He also does a number on both Scourge and Cyclonus - tearing them apart and taking their sparks so he can cleanse them of Unicron's taint.
Then the real bombshell is dropped. The whole incident with Unicron, followed so soon after by the release of the Matrix's energies to stop the Hate Plague has alerted several other living worlds. Those deep space scanning glitches? Totally not glitches - they were Alpha Trion tapping into the systems on Primus' orders to scan deep space for reactions to recent events. Turns out there has been, and the prospects are not good.
So both Autobots and Decepticons are under orders from Primus himself to shut up, stop their petty squabbling, and get Cybertron up and running properly because in all likelihood, Primus' kindred living planets will be event less friendly that Unicron and there are several headed Cybertron's general direction.
Where it goes after that however is in the area of vague impending threat I'm not good at thinking up.
And the part I left out? This is all an excuse for Optimus/Magnus/Rodimus, but with a reason behind why they go wandering off into the depths of Cybertron on their own, because while Roddy might play hooky, Optimus and Magnus wouldn't.
Also options on doing something to change Galvatron back into Megatron, because I hate Galvatron. Really.
One last thing, it occurred to me that the backstory for Primus that I came up with is a good backstory also for a Final Fantasy crossover. Basically, the bit about energy beings becoming the core of living worlds? A good backstory also for the Lifestream.
Besides, I've been idly contemplating how Transformer would be taken if they landed on the Guardianverse version of the FF8 world. Let's just say, any attempts by the Decepticons to harvest the Lifestream and convert it to energon would be met with some really hard-hitting spells from the likes of Squall and his fellow SeeDs - Griever and the other guardians would be rather unimpressed with Lifestream harvesting, especially those who lived on Gaea (FF7) beforehand.
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2007-12-15 16:19 (UTC)My Primus and Unicron bunnies never work-- they get along too well. (Like, "Why is Galvatron and Megatron Coexisting?" "I DIDN'T DO IT!" "Shut UP Unicron" type of WHY DO THEY NOT PLAY NICE.)
I'm working at it. I'd actually see thsat as a really badass RP setting... O_o
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2007-12-15 16:52 (UTC)Ugh! Don't talk to me about Primus and Unicron! I read
But an RP? I wish I had the confidence to start one up.
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2007-12-17 20:57 (UTC)no subject
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2007-12-18 19:31 (UTC)And Yes. But it's more Starscream's immortality that spawns the thought of him being Primus made.
Can't be Vector Sigma, the big ball is a machine--if a glitch like an immortal spark came out once, there should be more. Unless it was a conscious alteration and if so then what's the difference between that and Primus/Primusdidit therory?
Matrix made? Possible but it is directly connected to Primus so same difference except for the fact that why isn't he an autobot? Though it does have merit what with how Starscream was very susceptible to the Matrix Goodifying powers.
So I settle on Primus, with intent to screw up Unicron.
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2007-12-19 08:53 (UTC)As for Vector Sigma - well my take on it is that Vector Sigma has a connection to Primus that Primus can manipulate, so he can issue a one-off immortal spark and not have Vector Sigma repeat it. So yeah, Primus did it.
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2007-12-20 00:26 (UTC)Good thing Starscream doesn't know though, otherwise he'd blame everything on Primus--he can't help that he was made this way.
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2007-12-20 07:27 (UTC)no subject
2007-12-21 02:32 (UTC)A while ago I made the comparison between the Decepticons and a specific disease. And I keep on forgetting the proper disease name so in it's place I just said 'lupus, and the like.'
Anyways, Lupus is an autoimmune disease, but unlike the well known cancer instead of suppressing it your body's immune system gets so hyped up it attacks your own body cells, harming it and destroying it.
There's one that specifically happens with cancer. Your body actually makes antibodies to combat and destroy the cancer, but cancer is your own body cells gone all funny--so they get confused and attack your own body even after the cancer is removed.
I think of the Decepticons that way, the Autobots were in charge but power leads to corruption--I mean they had gladiatorial fights and sentenced mechs to that as punishment, you know where you could end up dead? Over all good people, or individually so (just like the Maximals), but with issues in certain places, unfortunately in high places.
The immune system, the Decepticons gets rilled up like a bee's nest you whacked with a stick. They kick Autobot aft right off Cybertron, which they then conquer. But bees aren't too senseable so they are buzzing around pissed off and looking for a fight while ripping the nest and each other to pieces.
Just imagine if your immune system could leave your body and annihilate anything that could hurt you before it got within ten feet of you? And had thew fire power of 20ft tall giant robots with lasers and spaceships sized to fit at their command? Add the ability to fetch you canepe's and yummies and Voila, Decepticons.
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2007-12-21 04:26 (UTC)no subject
2007-12-26 22:42 (UTC)And it is, isn't it? Sometimes you need to chop things open, sometimes you need to bust a few heads. And Sometimes you don't know when to stop.
Primus knows Unicron is a bastard, so he knows he had to have a vicous, aggressive, and above all tenacious immune system to take care of him/hold him off for long enough.
And he got exactly what he wanted, a people who were unswervingly devoted to Cybertron who would never yield, and never be forgotten.
However, Primus also wants to keep around all the other life forms in the universe. So an equally stubborn type to do the protecting was needed, and he gave them the Matrix as the ultimate Anti-Unicron weapon to them so they can't just be killed out.
Kind of...Like ANTZ, actually, you remember the military trying to make a new nest with only warriors and no workers? To keep that from happening Primus keyed the ultimate weapon to the Autobots.
Ideally the two sides should work together, but the Decepticons are too busy going "You Suck!" and trying to kill Autobots, and the Autobots are too busy being Maximals when they aren't being put down by the Decepticons.
And So Primus lets everyone be eaten by the Demons after Beast Machines so he can start overno subject
2007-12-27 05:29 (UTC)Yeah, the whole situation is kinda unhelpful - destroying the worker class - but I do get the impression that the Decepticons are somewhat flexible on that stand, being able - when they need to - build something. On the flip side, the Autobots also were able to convert to being warriors, even if it took a bit of initial refits to strengthen them up.
Ehh, my personal canon discounts everything after The Return Of Optimus Prime as Some Other Continuity. Beast Wars and Beast Machines included.no subject
2007-12-31 21:50 (UTC)Megatron's rebellion in G1 is like Spartacus' Rebellion, only the Gladiators WON. There is a strange nobility to it (not saying he's a nice guy mind you) and the loyalty is there (Y hullow there Shockwave, still holding on after how many million years?)
And yes, while the Autobots could become warriors they kinda...sucked at it. With the Exception of Prime's crew that is. I mean until an Act of God the Autobots were LOOSING. (Intresting that it's Unicron's fault that the Autobots won, isn't it?)
The Decepticons on Earth are the best of the best. The Autobots in general are the best, the luckiest, the strongest to have survived the Decepticon's attacks, and Prime's Autobots are the best of that, made strong by the forge fires of a Decepticon 'cleansing.'
And I like Beast Wars (Shakespear! <3 Shakespear and LoonyToons in a single episode! <3<3 Dinobot! <3<3<3). Beast Machines can suck it though, unless they get eaten by Demons and the ones that escape are captured by Quints.
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2008-01-01 04:08 (UTC)Heh, Act of God - I doubt Unicron appreciated the fact.
I won't say there's anything bad about Beast Wars - I haven't seen much of it so I can't comment (I think I saw the episode where Airazor was first made, and I have the episode where the Maximals have to repair Optimus Prime in the extras for TFTM) - simply that's it doesn't fit my personal canon. Can't comment on the quality of Beast Machines though, I don't think I've seen any of it.
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2008-01-01 19:44 (UTC)*pets megatron then scampers before she is blown up*